columban
06-09 01:04 AM
All,
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
I have been a passive follower on IV for few weeks now. I read the news clippings that people had posted where there was some Gautam Aggarwal who felt the point system was good. I see a press release from him that I saw floating around some mailing list.
Quite honestly even though lots of us disagree with him, he does make a very valid point. IV should consider clubbing US educated people such that 2 separate quotas can be created. Instead of banishing him as an elitist look at his point he is making by just marketing how the country is using the educated. Using a well respected university name is no different than talking about how we legals pay taxes etc. Just because we are educated and better of that the illegals as an argument is no less than elitism in that sense. I happened to go through gautamagg's post after the Guitrezz rally - read his message again sans tone. He makes a point. This CIR bill could have been good for us if we approached it positively looking at US educated people as a group too. Also his statement on the AP report about MPS being good is not totally incorrect in an environment where both EB and MPS may exist - if we can get that i.e. EB and MPS keeps both sides happy and we should fight for that. I emailed gautamagg and he did mention that the AP report cut out that part of his statement and told me to verify that with the reporter if I wished to. I think we guys need to be less passionate before we throw stones at others. IV is definitely doing a great job but people should share opinions openly on strategy - we are all humans and we may have missed an important aspect at IV - most IV folks seem to be non-US educated consultants and therefore disagree with Gautam. We really are 2 diff groups who want the same result with better partnership. My 2 cents. His press release:
For Immediate Press Release: May 28, 2007
“Grand Bargain” Immigration Bill creates issues for International Students in Economics, Finance and Business
Mountain View, CA – May 28, 2007 – The US Senate is actively debating the proposed “Bi-partisan Grand Bargain” Immigration Reform bill. While the bill does have many provisions to attract educated people from outside the US, it also creates restrictions for people with an economics/ finance background.
One of the proposals is to introduce an additional visa category for people coming to the US for graduate study. Though the proposed F-4 visa category is welcome by the international students’ community, it is unfavorable for people with a non-technical background or for people with a technical background who would like to gain additional skills outside of technology to be successful entrepreneurs. The proposed category, called the F-4 students visa, allows international students two major provisions that the existing student visa, the F-1, is restrictive in:
1. F-4 students do not have to prove a non-immigration intent. Unlike F-1 visa applicants, students coming on an F-4 visa will have the ability to have a “dual intent” at the time of applying for their visa, while entering the Unites States, or while maintaining their F-4 status in the US. Such students can have a pending Green Card (GC) application or can apply for one while on F-4 status. This is in contrast to the existing F-1 category in which a previous or current intent to immigrate to the United States negatively impacts a persons ability to obtain an F-1 visa.
2. Under the F-4 visa, instead of 12-months the students will have up to 24-months of Optional Practical Training (OPT) available after graduation. The larger time window will help students evaluate employment options while staying agnostic of visa issues.
The bill restricts the F-4 visa to people who would attend advanced degrees in the fields of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM). Such limitation to STEM alone would negatively impact the inflow of international students to other graduate programs such as Finance, Economics, and Business. In today’s dynamic global economies, technology and business work together. Over a third of the MBA class in top US schools such as Wharton, Stanford, Harvard, and Cornell comes from a technology background. Restricting these provisions to STEM degrees alone will result in a severe shortage of highly skilled international students coming to the US for an MBA due to an advantage the STEM degree holders will have over them. This will impede the abilities of many “technologists” to obtain business and finance education and will reverse the positive trend in places such as the Silicon Valley where many engineers turn into successful entrepreneurs creating wealth and job opportunities for many Americans and add to America’s competitive edge.
While the Senate has shown foresight by introducing the F-4 visa that helps in retaining people with advanced education from the US, it remains a very myopic solution to the problem it intends to address. Next week, the Senate comes back from recess to discuss amendments to this bill, this press release appeals to the Senate to consider enhancing the provisions of the F-4 as well.
Note: Hundreds of people are affected by this already. With a Masters in Computer Science from Cornell University, 7-years of technology experience in the Silicon Valley, and after paying over $ 150,000 in taxes, Gautam, issuer of this Press release, may be unable to join his MBA class at The Wharton School this year. Because he had once started his Green Card process and established an “intent to immigrate”, it is difficult for him to reverse the process and obtain a students visa. Over 3-4 years of processing wait times has resulted in many people such as him to give-up their applications in lieu of additional education. But, their past intent looms over their very uncertain future: 22 of them have connected with each other and pray that their Indian Gods stay happy with them on the day of their student-visa interviews in India and that reason and common sense prevail.
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Contact:
Gautam Aggarwal
devang77
07-18 01:24 PM
[QUOTE=truthinspector;264968]Paskal,
On the same evening.....Seeta and Geeta are shopping for tamarind in a nearby aisle....for some reason (I cant be more vivid than this) they notice eachothers tatto's; one has EB3 and one has EB2..........CATFIGHT
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Chicks with tattoos..catfight!!!...doesnt sound too bad now does it...not to hijack the thread but the example had a lot of 'skin' in it for me to resist...
People that have been saying that IV supports this and not that please re-look at IVs agenda, nothing is hidden. The stated agenda is to try to make the employment based process better, the ENTIRE process. A piece meal approach does not work (proven in the past by legislation that tries to fix a portion of the system). The holistic approach may appear to be locally sub-optimal will be the best for the entire employment based community.
In the interest of full disclosure and at the risk of incurring more back lash I must state that I am in EB2-I category.
Cheers and hang in people...all of us are in this together..
On the same evening.....Seeta and Geeta are shopping for tamarind in a nearby aisle....for some reason (I cant be more vivid than this) they notice eachothers tatto's; one has EB3 and one has EB2..........CATFIGHT
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Chicks with tattoos..catfight!!!...doesnt sound too bad now does it...not to hijack the thread but the example had a lot of 'skin' in it for me to resist...
People that have been saying that IV supports this and not that please re-look at IVs agenda, nothing is hidden. The stated agenda is to try to make the employment based process better, the ENTIRE process. A piece meal approach does not work (proven in the past by legislation that tries to fix a portion of the system). The holistic approach may appear to be locally sub-optimal will be the best for the entire employment based community.
In the interest of full disclosure and at the risk of incurring more back lash I must state that I am in EB2-I category.
Cheers and hang in people...all of us are in this together..
arkanand
09-13 03:42 PM
I am amazed in the solidarity just by seeing the responses. But if i think deeper, this rally is not for some national cause or for some greater benefit.
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
Every single person here is doing this for one's own SELFISH reasons. Why then are we talking like we are marching to save the planet or save the poor animals going to slaughter or human trafficking or AIDS prevention or even the war in Iraq.
Yes, we make things easy for people down the road (however that is not our true intention, our true intention is just about how to get the card faster) but trying to pull in more people to the rally by playing on people's guilt is not the approach. You say it like you see it. We want people to come so I CAN GET MY GREEN CARD SOONER. Thats all. So everyone has the same motive...thats all. Nothing more or nothing less. Everyone is going for A SELFISH INTEREST...nothing based on higher principles of duty, sacrifice or to ensure higher morals of life. Everything is for sensual enjoyment.
Dont write like we are seeking independence or freedom.
I guess...my head will start to roll...sorry for looking at things differently, I dont mean to find fault but i think this is just one big rally everyone wants to get their green card sooner. Nothing more than that...in my opinion..really not even about folks who may apply in 2010?
gauravster
02-25 02:13 PM
This press release only shows that it is an administrative/executive fix. Either it is USCIS or DOS or the President, is what I do not know. But clearly, it is something not mandated by legislation, else USCIS/DOS would be breaking several laws by continuing to use the old bulletein.
Read this pdf
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletinUpdate17Jul07.pdf
that will answer your question.
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Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
Read this pdf
http://www.uscis.gov/files/pressrelease/VisaBulletinUpdate17Jul07.pdf
that will answer your question.
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Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
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nik.patelc
10-01 04:43 PM
Your language just proves where you belong to.
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
Arunmurthy,
You also need to grow up. Making derogatory remark on UP/Bihar, you showed it.
These days, people blame UP/Bihar for anything... Hyprocate like you are not belong to any state or nation. At least psaxena showing how is proud of IV being donor. We as freeloader should appreciate and not to take it as donor vs freeloader. Its his choice to be donor and its your and mine not to be donor. If you are too proud of your english, then be proud of it. Atleast he can write hindi (national language). Do you?
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
Arunmurthy,
You also need to grow up. Making derogatory remark on UP/Bihar, you showed it.
These days, people blame UP/Bihar for anything... Hyprocate like you are not belong to any state or nation. At least psaxena showing how is proud of IV being donor. We as freeloader should appreciate and not to take it as donor vs freeloader. Its his choice to be donor and its your and mine not to be donor. If you are too proud of your english, then be proud of it. Atleast he can write hindi (national language). Do you?
reddymjm
06-15 09:58 PM
Understood every point of yours & I stand by what you said except for the language as it could have been a bit better. Regarding EB3 or EB2, maybe IV should work attaching a provision as part of its CIR work, which makes USCIS determine whether a candidate is in EB3 or EB2 based on the PERM & 140 instead of letting companies & attorneys mention it. If this happens the process will be much better as USCIS controls the categories & applicants do not need to beg a company to throw them into an EB2 basket or EB3 basket. Also, applicants can have certain amount of freedom from the companies.
When a process is flawed, there is always room for abuse. Of course, the abuse might be minimal, but when we see people with masters & 15 years of experience toiling in EB3 category it pains my heart. It is a fact there could be lesser qualified inidividuals who are in EB2 category, but the companies have managed to use these to hold the employees as hostage.
Hopefully USCIS someday understands this and takes control of assigning applicants into categories than asking company & attorney to mention.
Just sharing my two cents. Also, frustrations from EB3 should be tolerated by IV members, instead of beating them with "red dots". Because if we request members to put their time and effort then it would be mostly EB3 members as they are the "worst" affected. I am sure every year between july-sept most of EB2 members will do bulletin-watching & there is nothing wrong in it.
Next year by this time only EB3 will be here and I dont think many of the EB2 will even bother to read the forum. God bless EB3. Even for those guys with PD in 2003 if you think that you will be lucky in year or two, try buying lottery tickets too. You might win a jackpot.
Good Luck guys...
When a process is flawed, there is always room for abuse. Of course, the abuse might be minimal, but when we see people with masters & 15 years of experience toiling in EB3 category it pains my heart. It is a fact there could be lesser qualified inidividuals who are in EB2 category, but the companies have managed to use these to hold the employees as hostage.
Hopefully USCIS someday understands this and takes control of assigning applicants into categories than asking company & attorney to mention.
Just sharing my two cents. Also, frustrations from EB3 should be tolerated by IV members, instead of beating them with "red dots". Because if we request members to put their time and effort then it would be mostly EB3 members as they are the "worst" affected. I am sure every year between july-sept most of EB2 members will do bulletin-watching & there is nothing wrong in it.
Next year by this time only EB3 will be here and I dont think many of the EB2 will even bother to read the forum. God bless EB3. Even for those guys with PD in 2003 if you think that you will be lucky in year or two, try buying lottery tickets too. You might win a jackpot.
Good Luck guys...
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eb3_nepa
07-28 04:41 PM
First off i take offence to my spouse being called a "Skill-Less Free Rider". That is by far the most offensive and ridiculous thing anyone has said about H4s. Most spouses on H4 are neither skill-less nor are they here solely for their Green Cards. Infact there are cases where the H4 is More qualified than the primary H1 applicant in their own field, just that it is not an H1b type field or there is no H1B quota etc.
It would be great if the moderators can please remove such offensive stuff when they get a chance. It is one thing to have freedom of speech and it is another to abuse that freedom.
If L2's can work then why not H4s is my simple point. I wonder if we can ask for these kind of smaller reliefs from the law-makers.
It would be great if the moderators can please remove such offensive stuff when they get a chance. It is one thing to have freedom of speech and it is another to abuse that freedom.
If L2's can work then why not H4s is my simple point. I wonder if we can ask for these kind of smaller reliefs from the law-makers.
gimme_GC2006
06-11 01:36 PM
Just for information:
Processing center:NSC
Filed AP (paper filing) : May 6th, 2009
AP approval : June, 9th, 2009
quick question..I guess, yous was AP renewal?
What is the fee for each applicant, 305 + 80??
I have a travel coming up and I think I have to shell out $1000 bucks now (for 3 of us) :mad:
Processing center:NSC
Filed AP (paper filing) : May 6th, 2009
AP approval : June, 9th, 2009
quick question..I guess, yous was AP renewal?
What is the fee for each applicant, 305 + 80??
I have a travel coming up and I think I have to shell out $1000 bucks now (for 3 of us) :mad:
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chmur
11-17 04:32 PM
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please be constructive in your role, we can use your energy and enthusiasm, but an attitude of engagement is critical rather than asking why iv core is not doing this or that.....
Thanks Paskal,
I will....and get some work done like setting up the IV-NE yahoogroups, crafting the initial pitch for nebraska members , and get some members recruited etc and will take it from there.
My only point is, this 1% of active members can politely direct others to state chapters , notwithstanding the frustrating attitude of some of the "Highly skilled"- arm chair critics.
Thanks
please be constructive in your role, we can use your energy and enthusiasm, but an attitude of engagement is critical rather than asking why iv core is not doing this or that.....
Thanks Paskal,
I will....and get some work done like setting up the IV-NE yahoogroups, crafting the initial pitch for nebraska members , and get some members recruited etc and will take it from there.
My only point is, this 1% of active members can politely direct others to state chapters , notwithstanding the frustrating attitude of some of the "Highly skilled"- arm chair critics.
Thanks
GCKaMaara
03-05 07:26 AM
I also got the same letter from USCIS today.
Where is the core who advised us to fax letter to USCIS. Please let us know what the action plan is ?
I am ready for $25.
I think we need to contact Ombudsman with this letter. This is ridiculuous.
Where is the core who advised us to fax letter to USCIS. Please let us know what the action plan is ?
I am ready for $25.
I think we need to contact Ombudsman with this letter. This is ridiculuous.
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cygent
04-10 03:14 PM
Going the earned path would not alienate many members who may not have contributed recently - but nevertheless are still contributing otherwise. People who have contributed in the past can be retroactively given access for a month for every $25 they've contributed.
gaz, I have contributed before, but I am still unable to access some posts. Could that be a problem with the website or am I not understanding you right :confused:? Thanks.
gaz, I have contributed before, but I am still unable to access some posts. Could that be a problem with the website or am I not understanding you right :confused:? Thanks.
avi_ny
07-23 10:34 PM
Its delayed process and not a deliberate effort that is the reason for you not getting your LC. I see no logic for you to su DOL. I do feel bad for you but I will say sit back as these things some time happens with every one. I am sure you will be in good shape as Backlog processing Center will be finishing remaining LC's very soon.
Its just luck ....
Its just luck ....
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puvathoor
12-10 10:15 AM
Being bitter does not get us anywhere..
There are only so many leaders who are willing to galvanize people. Most people are content to be followers or be in the sidelines..
Do not expect everyone to be in leadership roles.. As you might know from any meetings, lots of people RSVP but don't show up.. It is unfortunate but that is the truth in pretty much any type of meetings..
The Houston chapter is getting more action. Why don't we collaborate and talk together.. Remember, we don't need 100s of leaders.. We need 10 - 20 who can get the rest of the people moving..
Lets not lose hope and surely, lets not get bitter and angry. We all make sacrifices.. There is no way to compare one versus the other.. and comparing does not get us anywhere..
Lets not look for what other people can do for us.. lets look what we (be it 10 or 100 of us) can do for everyone else..
Most people in the forum will support and help us.. A few people will just read and be cynical.. some will be free riders.. we cannot change these..
What we can do is make a decision to drive change.. and work towards it..
Change will happen.. We just have to persist and believe..
There are only so many leaders who are willing to galvanize people. Most people are content to be followers or be in the sidelines..
Do not expect everyone to be in leadership roles.. As you might know from any meetings, lots of people RSVP but don't show up.. It is unfortunate but that is the truth in pretty much any type of meetings..
The Houston chapter is getting more action. Why don't we collaborate and talk together.. Remember, we don't need 100s of leaders.. We need 10 - 20 who can get the rest of the people moving..
Lets not lose hope and surely, lets not get bitter and angry. We all make sacrifices.. There is no way to compare one versus the other.. and comparing does not get us anywhere..
Lets not look for what other people can do for us.. lets look what we (be it 10 or 100 of us) can do for everyone else..
Most people in the forum will support and help us.. A few people will just read and be cynical.. some will be free riders.. we cannot change these..
What we can do is make a decision to drive change.. and work towards it..
Change will happen.. We just have to persist and believe..
waitingGC
02-11 05:12 PM
This is really a very disappointing news. However, now we all know clearly that our issues are closely related to illegal alliens. We are on the same boat as that of illegals. CIR will probably take forever to happen. Maybe 2 to 3 years if we are lucky. My PD is just 3 months away (China EB2). I guess my PD will become current within 2 to 3 years even without immigration reform. I would not put my hope on this immigration reform now. I will just plan to wait for 2 to 3 years. It's kind of a relief for me.
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arkanand
09-13 03:45 PM
whats with the quotes...comparing to Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr...Please dont kid yourself.
They did it for their country and fellowmen to be free from the clutches of oppression (a much serious issue than green card i think). Although even that is extended selfishness (cos of being Indian or African American) but they dedicated their entire lives for that cause.
We are not even close...this is just for MY GREEN CARD!
am i wrong?
They did it for their country and fellowmen to be free from the clutches of oppression (a much serious issue than green card i think). Although even that is extended selfishness (cos of being Indian or African American) but they dedicated their entire lives for that cause.
We are not even close...this is just for MY GREEN CARD!
am i wrong?
needhelp!
11-16 12:44 PM
I totally understand the push from IV to encourage state chapters and build grassroots strength to this movement.
Join the state chapter : IV does not have a state chapter in the state I live in - Nebraska,: So I thought I would start one and wrote to IV ...after initial response from IV , there has been no progress .
Start contributing: I have already contributed $100 and will contribute further as and when I can.
Volunteer for IV: Volunteered to start the state chapter.
Well I have done my bit so hopefully I will not be disparaged for making comments on this issue,
You must promote your state chapter by starting a thread and keeping it alive so those visiting the forums will know. (most people only look at latest threads)
Where is the link to your state chapter in your signature?
Join the state chapter : IV does not have a state chapter in the state I live in - Nebraska,: So I thought I would start one and wrote to IV ...after initial response from IV , there has been no progress .
Start contributing: I have already contributed $100 and will contribute further as and when I can.
Volunteer for IV: Volunteered to start the state chapter.
Well I have done my bit so hopefully I will not be disparaged for making comments on this issue,
You must promote your state chapter by starting a thread and keeping it alive so those visiting the forums will know. (most people only look at latest threads)
Where is the link to your state chapter in your signature?
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Hinglish
03-20 06:51 PM
We are not talking about what's beneficial to the United States. What we are discussing is what the law says. It doesn't matter if it is beneficial to the United States or not, if it is the law of the land then everyone has to abide by it; even the government. I think everyone has a different opinion on what's beneficial for this country. If you talk to the people at numbersusa.com, they will say that H1B program and employment based immigration is the worst thing that happened to this country and should be stopped right at this moment yet we think that this is the best thing for this country. Go figure.
By the way, you seem to suggest that everyone in ROW is unskilled professional. Nothing can be further from the truth. I don't know where you get your facts from but it sounds like you certainly need some help on that front.
And I think you need some reading lessons .... read my post ... the comparison is between categories for eg EB2 for IN/CHina vs EB3 for ROW
In any case the classification is not based on one's country of origin or individual's personal qualifications ... it is based on what the job requires. heck an individual having Phd can get a job which requires only 2 yrs study and no exp that doesnt mean that they are any less qualified that a person in EB1 for any country .... but the most value gained is in the EB1 category job....hence the argument.... nothing to do with where you are born or what individual qualifications you possess .... Im sure you are highly qualified and educated ... think and read ...
By the way, you seem to suggest that everyone in ROW is unskilled professional. Nothing can be further from the truth. I don't know where you get your facts from but it sounds like you certainly need some help on that front.
And I think you need some reading lessons .... read my post ... the comparison is between categories for eg EB2 for IN/CHina vs EB3 for ROW
In any case the classification is not based on one's country of origin or individual's personal qualifications ... it is based on what the job requires. heck an individual having Phd can get a job which requires only 2 yrs study and no exp that doesnt mean that they are any less qualified that a person in EB1 for any country .... but the most value gained is in the EB1 category job....hence the argument.... nothing to do with where you are born or what individual qualifications you possess .... Im sure you are highly qualified and educated ... think and read ...
bobzibub
07-05 11:15 PM
Everbody's posts here are speculations on what USCIS will do ...
Geez.....you definitely need a brain check.
:D :D :D
Say at USCIS's "mid month" meeting, they are discussing the major points:
<conference call service> badoop! badoop! badoop! badoop!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: OK, it is 11:30, everyone ready for our morning bi-monthly call?
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I'm Here Dr. Emilio!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez: <muffled> I bet you would be brown no....
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Mr. Melmed, Esq., Present!
<all>: Yesssss!
<conference call service> badoop!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: OK, who is late! Who is it! Speak up!
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I think it was Jeffrey! I got a virus last week and he..
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Enough Jonathan!
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: I'm here. I was just instructing our IT staff how to reboot the talky thingy phone system.
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: You mean the "V.O.I.P. Call Center."
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: I know I was going to...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Enough Jonathan! I'm not inviting you next meeting if you continue this. Lets get started! Now Lynden. You there? What is that status of this class action suit? My girlfriend said I was wearing a "class action suit"!!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Well, we umm...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Come on Lynden, out with it..
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I think that we should counter sue..
<all> Shut up Jonathan!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Lynden! I've had it up to here with your dithering: Out with it man!
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Ummm... they might have a case sir.
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: What do you (ahem, this is Rendell) What do you mean a case Lynden?
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Well, it is just that in order to make our organization a profit center as per Presidential directive #232322, we did a little boo boo.
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: I want to state here and now that I advised against it!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Shut up Rendell!! Lynden! You make those foreigners and their case GO AWAY! That is our job, to make them GO AWAY! Don't you know that that is what we do here? How long have you been here Jones? Not much longer at this rate!!! Rendell! Were do we stand with this. It is July and the board has not finished our bi-annual bonus calculations yet. This smells like trouble. What are you going to do Rendell??? RENDELLLLL???
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: Umm, well the new schedule kicks in next month. We plan on holding the July applications hostage until we get them paying new rates.
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Can you do that?
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: You're the lawyer Lynden! You want your bonus or not???
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Oh. We,umm can't do that! Is that why we? Oh crap.
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Rendell!!!! Was this your idea???
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: Yes it was! I saw the memo! I'll fax it to you if...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director:Jonathan, you're getting staticy, I'm disconnecting you. Call back later!
<conference call service> <badoop> "Scharfen, Jonathan....Disconnected."
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: There's nothing wrong with the v.o.i.p. system sir!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: hmmmmph.
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: In fact we're really busy with that call center. Phones are ringing off the hook!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: As long as they don't get my number!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
Geez.....you definitely need a brain check.
:D :D :D
Say at USCIS's "mid month" meeting, they are discussing the major points:
<conference call service> badoop! badoop! badoop! badoop!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: OK, it is 11:30, everyone ready for our morning bi-monthly call?
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I'm Here Dr. Emilio!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez: <muffled> I bet you would be brown no....
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Mr. Melmed, Esq., Present!
<all>: Yesssss!
<conference call service> badoop!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: OK, who is late! Who is it! Speak up!
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I think it was Jeffrey! I got a virus last week and he..
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Enough Jonathan!
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: I'm here. I was just instructing our IT staff how to reboot the talky thingy phone system.
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: You mean the "V.O.I.P. Call Center."
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: I know I was going to...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Enough Jonathan! I'm not inviting you next meeting if you continue this. Lets get started! Now Lynden. You there? What is that status of this class action suit? My girlfriend said I was wearing a "class action suit"!!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Well, we umm...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Come on Lynden, out with it..
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: I think that we should counter sue..
<all> Shut up Jonathan!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Lynden! I've had it up to here with your dithering: Out with it man!
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Ummm... they might have a case sir.
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: What do you (ahem, this is Rendell) What do you mean a case Lynden?
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Well, it is just that in order to make our organization a profit center as per Presidential directive #232322, we did a little boo boo.
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: I want to state here and now that I advised against it!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Shut up Rendell!! Lynden! You make those foreigners and their case GO AWAY! That is our job, to make them GO AWAY! Don't you know that that is what we do here? How long have you been here Jones? Not much longer at this rate!!! Rendell! Were do we stand with this. It is July and the board has not finished our bi-annual bonus calculations yet. This smells like trouble. What are you going to do Rendell??? RENDELLLLL???
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: Umm, well the new schedule kicks in next month. We plan on holding the July applications hostage until we get them paying new rates.
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Can you do that?
Rendell Jones, Chief Financial Officer: You're the lawyer Lynden! You want your bonus or not???
Lynden Melmed, Chief Counsel: Oh. We,umm can't do that! Is that why we? Oh crap.
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: Rendell!!!! Was this your idea???
Jonathan Scharfen, Deputy Director: Yes it was! I saw the memo! I'll fax it to you if...
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director:Jonathan, you're getting staticy, I'm disconnecting you. Call back later!
<conference call service> <badoop> "Scharfen, Jonathan....Disconnected."
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: There's nothing wrong with the v.o.i.p. system sir!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: hmmmmph.
Jeffrey Conklin, Chief Information Officer: In fact we're really busy with that call center. Phones are ringing off the hook!
Dr. Emilio T. Gonzalez, Director: As long as they don't get my number!
<all> lol!
<all> lol!
bheemi
06-25 05:03 PM
hi mirage,
you dont need to pay anymore money for EAD when you apply in future. this is what my attorney said. Thats why USCIS fees is very high and its one time fess for EAD and AP.
you dont need to pay anymore money for EAD when you apply in future. this is what my attorney said. Thats why USCIS fees is very high and its one time fess for EAD and AP.
gcseeker2002
12-01 09:29 AM
The basic idea behind this approach is to channel all the negative energy into something positive.
Here is what me and my wife are doing. When the retrogression first hit us in 2005 January we were both devastated even more so because one my friend and his wife, with same the same priority date as ours and similar EB3 RIR got the Green Card on 24 Dec 2004. We would not have been so frustrated if they had the priority date even a month or so before us. But some are just lucky I guess. Coming back to what we are doing. My wife started her masters and finished in May this year. She could have finished in December but we were really banking on the CIR in May so she took more courses and finished it faster. Well that did not happen so whats next. So now I will be starting school again for second Masters this time MBA from one of the top10 B schools in January 2007. Ideally I wanted to do Full Time because its shorter duration as compared to part time but GC God (I wish there was one like that so that I can do the "Nariyal Pooja" or "Mundan" or "Abhishek") had otherr wishes so I have now switched from full time to part time. Lets see if my part time MBA of 4 years wins the race or Green Card wins the racce against time.
Moral of the story. Channelize your energy into something positive and get masters or second for that matter, or learn a new language, enroll in classes to learn languages that run for 6 months at community classees by the time you get your GC you will know atleast a dozen languages.
Lage Raho GC Bhai....
I know these are good ways to keep our mind off the gc, but for most of us who have spent 9 -10 years waiting and have family responsibilities, the steam of further studies has ran out especially if you have to pay for it yourself.
Here is what me and my wife are doing. When the retrogression first hit us in 2005 January we were both devastated even more so because one my friend and his wife, with same the same priority date as ours and similar EB3 RIR got the Green Card on 24 Dec 2004. We would not have been so frustrated if they had the priority date even a month or so before us. But some are just lucky I guess. Coming back to what we are doing. My wife started her masters and finished in May this year. She could have finished in December but we were really banking on the CIR in May so she took more courses and finished it faster. Well that did not happen so whats next. So now I will be starting school again for second Masters this time MBA from one of the top10 B schools in January 2007. Ideally I wanted to do Full Time because its shorter duration as compared to part time but GC God (I wish there was one like that so that I can do the "Nariyal Pooja" or "Mundan" or "Abhishek") had otherr wishes so I have now switched from full time to part time. Lets see if my part time MBA of 4 years wins the race or Green Card wins the racce against time.
Moral of the story. Channelize your energy into something positive and get masters or second for that matter, or learn a new language, enroll in classes to learn languages that run for 6 months at community classees by the time you get your GC you will know atleast a dozen languages.
Lage Raho GC Bhai....
I know these are good ways to keep our mind off the gc, but for most of us who have spent 9 -10 years waiting and have family responsibilities, the steam of further studies has ran out especially if you have to pay for it yourself.
mshelat
05-21 01:48 PM
It happened because of relentless canvasing of the media until the story got out and embarrassed the government. "Supporting the troops" is a no-brainer for a politician wanting to score political points. Most Americans could care less about immigrants or other citizens who are married to them. So there is no political urgency to solve that "problem." Although the media has reported that the exclusion of legal immigrants was "unintended," my sources say that the exclusion was intentional.
I had hoped to embarrass the government further by exposing the connection to a known "hate group," but the media has refused to report that part of the story. If I could get the media to expose the racist origins of this law, we might have some hope, but don't count on it.
The next phase is to focus on legal options.
This is really interesting. Legal immigrants - their rights and well-being hinges on political points over which legal immigrants have no influence. Very interesting and disappointing at the same time.
You tried your best Totoro. Thanks for all the efforts you have been making and have made so far.
I had hoped to embarrass the government further by exposing the connection to a known "hate group," but the media has refused to report that part of the story. If I could get the media to expose the racist origins of this law, we might have some hope, but don't count on it.
The next phase is to focus on legal options.
This is really interesting. Legal immigrants - their rights and well-being hinges on political points over which legal immigrants have no influence. Very interesting and disappointing at the same time.
You tried your best Totoro. Thanks for all the efforts you have been making and have made so far.
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